Aug. 9, 2026

The Critical Thinking Human in the AI Loop

The Critical Thinking Human in the AI Loop
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Season 1

As AI generates answers faster than we can question them, the scarce skill isn't producing more output...faster, it's interrogating it. Bryce Hoffman, bestselling author, top-rated speaker, and unconsultant joins Capt. David to explore why red teaming - applied critical thinking - becomes more essential in the AI age, and how leaders keep human judgment in command rather than outsourcing it to the machine.

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Behoy. Captain David Gallimore welcomes your board. The Regenerate Show

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real messy work of transforming our lives, leadership and organizations.

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Bring your hot mess and confusion to lead with clarity,

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courage and confidence. Together, let's strengthen our resilience, accelerating the

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health of ourselves, people, plant and profits. Now, here's your host,

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Captain Dave, your personal Regenerator.

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All aboard, oh boy friends, and welcome to Regenerate. I'm

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Captain Dave, your personal Regenerator. This show is a safe

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space for true vulnerable stories from the messy middle of

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our personal, professional, and organizational transformation. Stories we need now,

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especially now amid all the global political climate uncertainty and

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the daily disruption of AI. But I'm here to point

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to hope. How can we be comes someone who brings

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more resilience, purpose, and authentic energy to the people that

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we love and to our planet, our only ship. You

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may wonder, what is the origin story of Regenerate Regenerate show? Well,

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Regeneration draws upon three point eight billion years of life's

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own logic. Other nature has learned a thing or two,

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and we restore a fatality across every living system ourselves is.

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If we can't put our own mask on first, how

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can we help others that we love and then our families,

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our teams, and our communities moving beyond sustainability which means

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to do no harm, to becoming regenerative like a forest,

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a healthy forest, endlessly regenerating, resilient, abundant life. So I

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created Regenerate to lift purpose driven leaders just like yourselves,

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lift them up and connect them in bonds of love,

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venture building leadership. The impact turns out those are my

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core value use. It's a show that we talked about

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with my beloved producer Rebel Yes last week. It's me

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all choked up just thinking about it, and we just

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had a terrific conversation about challenges related to grief, She's

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gone through a lot, and how my core values help

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ground each of us, and especially her in those moments

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of a real challenge as a human being, when loved

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ones that provide support and guidance and friendship and laughter

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are no longer with us, especially our four legged family.

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As a guide, maritime captain and a lifelong learner, I'm

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living my Ekey Guy, which was the show two weeks ago.

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This is the kind of the convergence of four circles.

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What you're gifted at, what you love to do, What

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does the world need? How can you be well compensated

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for that work? And I think about the compensation in

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a number of ways, freedom as well as inner peace,

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and of course putting food on the table for yourself

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or for your loved ones. So, whether your longtime crew

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or joining for the first time, welcome aboard. And I

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hope you discover something today that changes how you see

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yourself and what's possible if you're inspired. I invite you

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to share this with someone who might need it and

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be their teacher. And here's my promise. We're going to

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have fun today. I hope to leave you inspired. And third,

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we'll leave you with just one thing that you can

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apply before you sleep tonight, So grab a pen. Transformations

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happen here. So our theme today is the critical thinking

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human and the AI loop. And I'm just flipping over

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to my stream yard just for a moment here to

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see if our guest is able to join us. Yes,

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and it looks like he is here, yay. So what

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I'd like to do next is a brief introduction, and

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then we're going to invite Bryce Hoffman, the Unconsultant to

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join the Regenerate show. So I first met Bryce when

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I read his best selling book American Icon, about my

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mentor and dear friend, Alan Molallely, who turned around Boeing

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Commercial after nine to eleven and did a remarkable turnaround

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of the Ford Motor Company, an absolute gem in the

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corporate world. And he used a process called working Together,

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which I learned under his tutelage when I was at Boeing.

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And that book really is a page turner. I highly

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recommend you buy a copy. I think it's this timeless

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today and as valuable today as it was for me

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probably twenty years ago now in the late late nineties,

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and then I got to meet Bryce again when he

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wrote a book called Red Team Thinking. He's one of

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the few non military civilian leaders who was invited under

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the Tent to learn firsthand about applied critical thinking. And

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I picked up the phone and called him and said, Hey,

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you've been a mentor of mine from AFAR. I just

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wanted to thank you for that. And one thing led

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to another, and I got involved as a student as

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a facilitator of some of the breakout groups, and boy

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did I learn a lot about my own biases which

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still guide me today. And I've trained my AI bot,

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which is going to be part of our conversation today

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as well. And yeah, it's been a terrific adventure with Bryce,

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and I'm really excited to bring him now on to

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the Regenerat show.

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Hey, Captain David, how are hey? Welcome?

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Welcome, Hey, Thank you so much. I know that you

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are one busy lad. I know you've restarted your speaking

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offers and you've got this really cool strategic reinvention program

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that I'm looking forward to learning about and helping our

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listeners learn about. But before we jump into the meat,

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I just always appreciate and I know my listeners do

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as well, just to get to know you as a person. Sure,

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and so if you would just take maybe a minute

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or two and just tell us that one thing, and

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I know it's hard to limit it to one thing

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that really lights you up. What makes your day, well.

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What makes my days, you know, David, is asking tough

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questions and encouraging people to ask tough questions. I mean,

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that's what my whole life at all, its various stages

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of the evolutionary journey, has been about. And my background,

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I was a journalist, primarily a business journalist for twenty

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years where I asked a lot of tough questions, and

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then after writing the book American Icon that you were

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so graciously mentioning in twenty twelve, left journalism to teach

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CEOs and other senior leaders how to implement Allen's Working

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Together management system is BPR process, which is also, as

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you know, all about asking tough questions, and then continue

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to evolve through my training as a Red Team leader,

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which is designed to help organizations and individual leaders ask

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tough questions. So it's all about the It's all about

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the questions, David. For me, it's all about the question

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about asking questions and having the courage to listen to

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the answers. And that's the that's I would say, is

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the most important thing that's often missed is it's not

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just the questions. Easy to ask questions, what's what's hard

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is listening to the answers.

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That that is an important distinction that you've added. And

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I think also to listen, as Stephen Covey taught me

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in the Seven Habits, you know, first to be to

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understand before you can be understood. So it's it's it's

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listening not to then respond or prove your point or whatever,

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but it's really to try to find out what that

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person is really thinking and how do we build a

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bridge from what perhaps you and I want with that

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other person.

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Percent And that's as you know, as one of Alan

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Malalley's mantras is seek understanding before seeking to be understood.

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And it's it's a very different leadership model than a

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lot of CEOs, at least in the United States have

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because you know, we got into this Jack Welch model

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of the CEO is the guy with all the answers

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and comes in and tells everybody the answers. And what's

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so much more effective in it is asking the right

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questions again than having the courage to listen to the

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answers and act on what you hear from other people.

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Yeah, well that is my challenge to do that lead

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by example on this show. We haven't done much prep

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and that's intentional because the magic gets co created together.

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Thank you, by the way, for correcting my poor memory

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of time. So I thought your American Icon book came

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out our earlier than it did. But twenty twelve, you're

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aging me.

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Yeah, twenty twelve, Yes.

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Yeah, thank you for correcting me. The most important stand

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on on facts and data. So the second.

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Question another one of Allen's principles, facts and data. You're looking,

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we're going to be You're living the working together process.

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We're going to be chuckling all day to day using

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references from Alan, I'm sure. So the second question that

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our listeners are frequently grateful to learn about guests is

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a little bit about your origin story. Now, time is

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never our friend, Bryce, So I know that you could

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go very deeply because I've heard you go very deeply

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about what really has brought you to this current way

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of being and who you've become, and you've given us

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a little bit of that chronology. But I'm just curious

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if there's been one or two key moments in your

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life that have really defined who you are today. You

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know that growth that you've experienced during our time together,

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you know how you're looking at the world with all

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of this disruption, Anything that would give us a little

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bit of an insight about you know, who you are?

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What really are you about? Well?

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I think you know.

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For me, the big pivot in my life occurred after

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American Icon came out in twenty twelve.

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I was. I was very fortunate it was.

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It was a bestseller right out of the shoot, and

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it was getting a lot of attention, and so I

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was getting a lot of phone calls every day from

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people who wanted to talk to me, wanted to meet me,

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want to take me out to dinner, lunch. And I

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got a call from a guy named Ralph Nichols, and I.

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Was still I was.

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I was working as an automotive reporter at the Detroit

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News at the time in Detroit, and he said, Hey,

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read your book, saw you give a speech at the

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at the the Detroit Athletic Club, and boy, I trurely

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like to take you out to lunch and talk more.

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And I said, oh, that's very nice you but you know,

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I got a lot on my plate right now and

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appreciate it, and thank you.

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Glad you liked the book.

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And he said, uh oh, he said, I'm so sorry

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because Allan said that that that we should really meet. Well,

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now you got my attention. So I said, you're friends

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with Alan and he said, oh, yeah, I've known Alan

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for years. He said, I am. I am the I

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own all the Dale Carnegie franchises for for southern Michigan,

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and I've known Alan for years. And uh well, I

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said okay. And so we met at a and Michigananders

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though I'm I'm only I was only one temporarily, but

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Michiganders will know exactly what I'm talking about. We met

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at a Coney Island, which is kind of the default

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Michigan diner experience, and Ralph, you know, talked about the book,

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talked about the speech that he'd heard me give, and

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talked a little bit about his work helping develop leaders

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over the years and he'd worked with some amazing leaders

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like Leiahkoca and stuff like that. And at the end

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of our meal, he said, uh, I want to ask

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you something and I said sure. He said, why are

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you a journalist?

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He said, what do you What.

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Do you mean?

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He said, well, I think being a journalist is pretty

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much the least valuable thing that you could be doing

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with your time on Earth. And I I misread what

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he was saying. I said, I said, oh, you know, assumptions.

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I thought that he meant that in a simple dollar

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and cents calculus. So I said, oh, you know, look,

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I knew when I went into this business that I

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wasn't going to make a lot of money doing it.

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And you know, I enjoy it.

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It's it's you know, it's what I do too, and

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I think I'm pretty good at it.

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He said, I don't mean that. He said.

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We've been talking for a couple hours here or now,

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that you saw, things that you learned from different CEOs

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a much bigger impact in the world helping leaders grow

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with the ideas and insights that you've gotten then simply

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writing about their problems. And that was such a profound

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challenge David, and I was really taken aback by it.

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understand you're you're a fairly wealthy guy with a lot,

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lot of franchises, but you know, some of us have

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mortgages to pay. So he said no, he said, he said, look,

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I'll help you. He said, I think that you should

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get out of journalism and start teaching and coaching and

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helping leaders develop, and I'll help you think through how

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to do it. And that's what I did, and it

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cruise lines in the world, everything from Carnival at the

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the twelve cruise lines that they that they owned at

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the time and spend a day working with them and

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helping them sort through their problems. And that night I

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wife and she said, how did it go? What did

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you think of doing this? And I said, I have

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never had such a good day professionally. It is so

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much more satisfying to help people solve their problems then

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to simply write about their problem. I went to bed

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that night, David, and I slept better than I'd slept

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in a long time, and I woke up with a

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if you unpack that for me, I can answer it,

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but it sounds like perhaps I did well.

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those of you listeners that wanted to dive a little

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think like a math guy, I remember. So it's the

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intersection of these four circles of what are you gifted

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at and passionate about, what are you really good at,

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what does the world need at this time not what

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you wished it needed? And then what can you be

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well compensated? And I included that freedom inter piece as

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well as financial fair, financial renumeration, you know, for the

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value that you create, and that intersection is your peky guy,

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your reason for being.

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it inspires our listeners to find the courage and to

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realize that you're not alone, like it probably would have

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been overwhelming, I suspect like it was for me when

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I left the corporate crazy if that dinner had not that,

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had not taken you a little bit under his wing

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and was a sounding board and perhaps opened some doors.

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So we were better together.

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One hundred percent, you know, David, the I have benefited

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in my life so much from amazing men mentors, and

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it's the only you know, it's what has gotten me

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to where I've been and where I am and where

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I'm going. So going all the way back to high school,

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I went to high school near where I am right now,

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which is about three hours north of San Francisco, rural

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northern California. Just to put this in context for people,

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the nearest stoplight where I'm sitting right now is over

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an hour away. Oh my goodness, this is this is

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very The nearest fast food restaurant where I'm sitting is

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over an hour away. And so I came up here

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rural high school. But I was fortunate that I met

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a friend of mine's dad, Well, I guess I met

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him and then I became friends with his son. Later, actually,

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I met an amazing author, one of the most famous

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educational authors in the United States, Herbert Cole. And Herb

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became my mentor when I was in high school and

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saw that I had some natural talent in writing and

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helped me cultivate that talent, helped me turn that into

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a career as a writer, and supported me along that journey.

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you know, I, when I was working as a journalist,

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I was really fortunate to have some amazing editors who

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really supported me. The editor who hired me at the

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Detroit News, Mark Truby, pushed me harder than anyone I've

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ever worked for in my life. He's now the he's

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now the e VP of Communications for Ford and pushed

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me harder than anyone I've ever worked for in life,

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and helped me find a year that I didn't even

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know I had in terms of my abilities. And then Alan,

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you know, Alan became a mentor for me. Well, first

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then Ralph Nichols, who I mentioned, who helped me make

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that transition, and then and then Alan, because the amazing

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thing was Alan was the subject of my first book.

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as a consultant and then later as an unconsultant, Alan

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graciously offered to mentor me and and continues to I

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mean just talked with him a few weeks ago. And

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then I also had an amazing coach who I met

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in Shanghai when I was giving a keynote at a

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leadership conference in Shanghai. Gary Ranker since passed away, but

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he was one of he next to he and Marshall

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Goldsmith were two of the two guys who created executs

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of coaching. Gary was the UH UH started the first

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executive coaching program at GE back in the early nineties.

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and and I've just continued to benefit from that support

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and guidance from from all of these people, and and

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and I think that's so essential in life. And now

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I find myself as I you know, as I'm in

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you know, middle aged guy who has a reasonable amount

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of success, trying to challenge myself to do that for

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younger people. And that's what I've been working on a

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Thank you for sharing that interesting history of key mentors.

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And I would just add an exclamation point to your

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love of Alan. My dad, Peter, who is a lowly

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engineer but rose up through the ranks because of his

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innovativeness and his ability with the British Act and to

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convince people to do the right thing. He became the

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director of quality under Alan. And I didn't know this

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until I reached out to Alan, just completely wanting to

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thank this guy who had been a mentor from Afar

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and this was after I had left Boeing and we

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had just a fabulous conversation and I learned that my

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dad had been a mentor of Alan's.

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So this idea of paying it forward, you know, it

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started perhaps with my dad and Dad to Alan and

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now Alan to me. And definitely the joy as a

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sixty four year old person who's had a lot of

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privilege and a lot of opportunity and wanting to make

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a difference in the world, a greater impact to your point,

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which is my sixth core value, That has been some

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of the most joyful time spent it right helping the

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next generation leaders be able to learn from some of

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the mistakes that I've made, perhaps that that you've made,

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and people who are willing to ask critical questions of

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us and listen deeply. Oh my gosh, when you see

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that magic happen and they just accelerate their their ekey guy,

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they accelerate their their potential. It's an amazing feeling, isn't it?

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As as a mentor, it is, it is, And that's

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you know, I mean, that's like you know, like you

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said that, we're all in this together, you know, and

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you know it's it's there's nothing more satisfying in helping

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someone grow, helping something find, someone find their their true potential,

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helping somebody get that aha moment in their life about it.

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So time is never our friend, as I mentioned before,

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And what what I'd like to do is pivot now

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please to the theme that you and I noodled a

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few days back, the critical thinking human and the AI.

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And I'm just going to te this up and also

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invite you if you would like again we're creating the

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magic in the moment, if you would like to take

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the commercial time that I usually you know, have available

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in the show for my own services, if you want

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to just think, well, I tee up our short description

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of you know what, what have you found to be

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a really valuable offer that you've been bringing to market recently?

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Related to this, this theme of critical thinking human in

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the AI loop. I wish I could have done your

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workshop on critical thinking and AI, so that might be

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something to chat about. But let me just let me

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just describe what I think we're going to be honing

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in on together. But again, the magic in the moment,

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so you know, as AI generates answers faster than we

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can question them. And I'm a victim of this. I

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was an early adopter of open AI and CHAGYPT and

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then pivoted to Claude when open AI's values did not

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align as well with mine. And the scarce skill isn't

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producing more answers, it's interrogating them. And so you've really

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coined the phrase unconsultant, which I think is a terrific

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shortthand for what you're all about, just to empower great

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psychological safety, empower others to find the answers or to

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uncover and communicate the answers that are already existing in organizations,

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within teams, and not having to pay expensive consultants that

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often will just regurgitate what is the knowledge and the

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wisdom within the organization they slap a million dollar invoice

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to that. So we wanted to explore applied critical thinking

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and how that becomes even more essential this era of AI,

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and how leaders need to keep human judgment only in

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their hand. If you use the maritime analogy, you know,

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they're they're guiding their organizations. They have to remain in command.

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But they do it like you mentioned earlier, with deep

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listening and good questions and and but a lot of uh,

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people within their organizations are using general AI to not think.

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And so that's kind of what I wanted to tee

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up next. You have a thought about kind of this

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short description in the theme initial You know.

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I have I have so many thoughts, David, Uh. Let

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me start with my with my primary thought. So this

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is something that I have. I have been thinking and

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discussing for a long time. I started, you know, I

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I I one of my homes is here in the

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San Francisco Bay area, and full disclosure, I also have

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an AI company too, in early stage AI company called

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Simbulos that I co founded with a guy who Chris Butler,

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who's you know, one of the experts on AI and

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decision making here in Silicon Valley, and I've been in

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this space for a while, but even before that, going

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back to you know, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, because I

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had friends in the Valley who were working on the

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cutting edge of AI research, I've been thinking about the

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appropriate role of AI in human decision making. And the

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biggest point that I would make, David, is that AI

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used properly is like an Iron Man suit for your brain.

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And what I mean by that is if you think

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about and I'm a bit of a loss here. I've

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never seen the Iron m movies nor read the comics,

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but I've seen enough clips that I can use this analogy.

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But if I make a mistake, it's because I don't

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actually have domain knowledge of this. But it seems like

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a great analogy to me because my understanding is is

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that you know, here is a superhero whose superpower is

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this suit. But the suit by itself is nothing. The

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suit by itself hangs in a closet or in a

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storage unit. But when you put the man in the suit,

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and you couple that with natural, natural cognitive capabilities, then

469
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:19.920
it becomes a force multiplier for his natural ability, so

470
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.480
it lets him do more physically mentally, you know.

471
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:27.240
Then, and if I can add, yes, sir, the values

472
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:29.039
of the man or woman in the.

473
00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:33.119
Suit absolutely and so to me that is that is

474
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:37.119
how I look at AI used properly is as a

475
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:40.200
force multiplier for human cognition.

476
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:41.039
Now, as you.

477
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:45.680
Say, unfortunately a whole lot of people are using AI improperly.

478
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:49.880
They're outsourcing thinking to machines, which if you know, my

479
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:53.599
motto which isn't reversed on our screen, but is thinking.

480
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:57.240
And you know, I've been saying this for years. This

481
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:02.440
cup is is almost ten years old. And so I

482
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:05.759
think we are at a really important point in human

483
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:11.440
evolution where we're going to see a bifurcation here between people. Well,

484
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:14.440
we're going to see we're going to see a trifurcation here.

485
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.039
We're going to see a split between people who don't

486
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.839
use AI at all, either because they don't have access

487
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.200
to it or because they don't understand it, people who

488
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:28.039
use AI intelligently, and people who use AI to avoid

489
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:31.920
thinking for themselves. And those are going to lead to

490
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:35.319
three very different outcomes, you know. Sad to say, most

491
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:37.400
of the people who don't use it all, are are

492
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.599
going to you know, miss out on a lot of

493
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:44.559
potential of human development and possibility. So are the people

494
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:48.920
who outsource thinking to machines. They're going to make mistakes,

495
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:52.440
they're going to to become you know, you've seen the

496
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.640
studies that have been done about college students using AI

497
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:58.480
right there. You know how there's been a marked decline

498
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:02.960
in cognitive capability amongst college students because they're not doing work,

499
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:05.759
they're just having AI do the work for them. But

500
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.559
I use AI am I writing all the time and

501
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:11.680
it doesn't reduce my writing skills or my cognitive skills

502
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.759
because I use it as a research partner. And so

503
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:18.079
that's an example of using AI intelligently. And that's just

504
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.000
a simple example. So if you look at what you

505
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:25.039
can do with AI used appropriately, there's so much there.

506
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.160
So you mentioned questioning the answer. So we just did

507
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.920
this program, this class on red team thinking in the

508
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.240
Age of AI that you mentioned, and one of my

509
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:38.880
great co instructors, who you know, Scott Henderson, has developed

510
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:42.960
a framework to help people challenge the output of AI,

511
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:47.079
so red teaming AI. We spent the first day of

512
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:50.279
the class talking about how to use AI to help

513
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:53.519
you red Team to help you think critically. And then

514
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:55.559
we spent the second day of the class talking about

515
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:58.599
how to turn the tables on the AI and red

516
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.000
Team the AI. And we are going to be doing

517
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:04.480
another class in October on the same topic but with

518
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:07.640
different tools. So it's not up on our website yet,

519
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:09.720
but it will be soon. So folks can go to

520
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.240
red Teamthinking dot com and see it there or shoot

521
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:16.440
shoot me an email. And the point is that we're

522
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:18.559
trying to teach people how to use AI as a

523
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:24.680
thought partner. Now, taking that to the product that I'm

524
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:29.200
developing with my company, Simbulos, what we're developing there is

525
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.359
a thought partner for leaders that is designed to support

526
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:38.119
their decision making and to challenge them in a constructive

527
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:41.160
but firm way, but not to make decisions for them.

528
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.720
And that's really important. And so my thought about AI

529
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.559
is really this simple. So if you go back to

530
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:51.000
the beginning of the last century, like the twentieth century,

531
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:56.799
the greatest business leader at the very beginning of the

532
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:01.480
twentieth century in the world was Andrew Carnegie. And there's

533
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.920
a famous interview that's one of the most amazing conversations

534
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.279
I've ever seen when it comes to leadership in business

535
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.240
that Carnegie did with one of the New York newspapers.

536
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:11.680
I don't remember for this New York Times or Wall

537
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.880
Street Journal or one of the papers that didn't survive

538
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:15.079
into the twenty first century.

539
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:17.720
But he was asked late in life, you.

540
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:21.319
Know, mister Carnegie, you've built the biggest steel empire in

541
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.559
the world. You're the richest man in the world. What

542
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:27.400
did you know about making steel that no one else did?

543
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.640
And his answer was nothing. I didn't know anything about

544
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.559
making steel that no one else did. What I knew

545
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:36.680
was how to surround myself with people who knew more

546
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.480
than I did. To surround myself with people who knew

547
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.880
more about making steel than other people did, and to

548
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.720
listen to them, and to listen to them. And he

549
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.519
even famously wrote his own epitaph, Here lies a man

550
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:53.240
who knew how to surround himself with men smarter than himself.

551
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:56.279
And that was, he said, the secret to his fortune,

552
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:59.200
to his success. So think about that in the context

553
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.599
of Ai David. Ai is the smartest person in the

554
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.680
room in terms of empirical facts and data. So why

555
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:10.960
not surround yourself with Ai? But Dale Carnegie didn't abdicate Dale.

556
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.960
Carnegie didn't abdicate control of his companies to these people.

557
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:19.680
Use them to make better decisions, to make develop better strategies,

558
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:24.359
to lead more effectively, to help him chart his course,

559
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:28.640
to use your maritime analogy, and and but his hand

560
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:31.440
was always the one on the tiller. So why not

561
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:35.079
do the same thing. Or we live in an amazing

562
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:38.160
time where any of us, any of us can have

563
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:40.119
the smartest person the room as our wing.

564
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:46.680
I think you're really profoundly pointing in a direction that

565
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:50.880
is one of hope. I know in my own family

566
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:55.480
there's a lot of resistance to even exploring how to

567
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:59.920
co think with their bot. And I agree with you

568
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:05.119
that those that fear it will likely get pushed to

569
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:08.679
the side in some form or fashion. And you know

570
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:12.760
they'll they'll they'll live happy lives and they'll be hopefully

571
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:15.920
able to keep putting food on the table. But increasingly,

572
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:22.199
I think a lot of certainly administrative or creative or

573
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:27.000
even software development or coaching, some of these.

574
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:30.159
Law counting right engineering.

575
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.639
Some of these disciplines that are not like crafts people

576
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:39.679
or artists, or those that will likely not get the

577
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:43.800
lunch eaten by AI. But but all those other disciplines

578
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:48.199
that you just ticked off with me, they really are

579
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:53.039
dislike likely going to get disremediated. They're going to get disrupted,

580
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:56.679
and they're going to feel out of control, and there's

581
00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.039
going to be a lot of anger and frustration in

582
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.000
the world as a result that I think about the

583
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:03.920
bit of a student of history of the Industrial Revolution

584
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:08.239
and the Luodites, those that were not pro mechanization and

585
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:12.599
automation of machines. You know there was, David.

586
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.400
We're already seeing it. People are attacking data centers, they're

587
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:19.039
attacking you know, the homes of a CEOs. I mean,

588
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:20.480
this is just the beginning.

589
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:23.000
But we're already seeing it, right, And I think the

590
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:26.360
other discernment that I wanted to ask you about is

591
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:30.480
as good as Claude, which is my current platform. And

592
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:34.000
I validate, I cross, I triangulate to try to get

593
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:35.800
to the truth, just like I do with the news.

594
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:41.400
So listen to Al Jazeera, Box, MSNBC, Ground News and

595
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:45.400
others to try to get to ideally the objective truth,

596
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:48.679
although we know that that is often a human construct.

597
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:54.840
But similarly we know that the bot will hallucinate and

598
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.559
it will produce slop and so in this era, oh

599
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:02.960
my gosh, critical thinking is helping us develop greater discernment

600
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:07.480
so that we can decide is this really the truth?

601
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.239
Do I need to ask deeper questions or ask for

602
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.280
sources and review the original sources, or I do I

603
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.320
just take the easy path and just assume. And you

604
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:21.719
know what, assuming does that the answer that came out

605
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:25.679
of claud or cht GPT is the truth?

606
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:28.239
Well, let me take that even a step further, because

607
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.480
you're right, you know, and I mean, fortunately hallucination with

608
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:35.360
the frontier models has become much much less common. But

609
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:42.159
let's put a hallucination aside. Simply challenging AI on its results,

610
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.079
even if they're good results, yields better results.

611
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:45.639
You know.

612
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.199
The way that I use AI and the way that

613
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:51.480
most of the people I know who are really good

614
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:55.159
at using AI and use it effectively use AI is

615
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:59.280
an ongoing conversation. So for instance, I have in Claude,

616
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:03.480
which is my primary like you as my primary platform,

617
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.039
but I also I also have you know, I have

618
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:10.159
max accounts on plod On, on open ai and others,

619
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:12.840
because I think that they all have a different role

620
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:16.280
to play. I use I use open AI more as

621
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:19.039
a as a you know, simple search engine type thing,

622
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:23.400
whereas you use claud for for more strategic discussions and

623
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:28.000
in real thought partnership, and and I bite the bullet

624
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:31.840
and use use fable. You know, when I do it

625
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:33.599
for most things, it's.

626
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:34.079
Not for everything.

627
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.280
It's it's there's a whole discussion about what what what,

628
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:40.880
what level is appropriate for what task. But the I

629
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:44.599
have a conversation about business strategy that that has been

630
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:50.679
ongoing for uh the last four months right now, and

631
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:56.199
it you know, it is something where you know, it's

632
00:37:56.280 --> 00:38:00.559
started with a strategic review of my company, my merry company,

633
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:05.679
red team thinking, where I uploaded everything. See, I'm I'm

634
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:09.280
not afraid. I'm much more afraid, David, of human decision

635
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:14.360
makers than I am of AI. So I I uploaded

636
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:19.320
all of my my corporate information resources and asked Claude

637
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:23.559
to do a comprehensive strategic review, and I got the

638
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:26.280
results I got were I mean, I've looked at a

639
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:29.719
lot of Mackenzie reviews in my life that they charge

640
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:31.559
companies a couple of million dollars to do, and it

641
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:34.039
looked exactly like one of those. And it was done

642
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:38.480
in less than two hours and it had amazing insights

643
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:41.960
and all based on you know, facts and data referencing,

644
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.440
you know, specific spreadsheets of mind and stuff like this.

645
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.360
But that was the beginning. That was the starting point,

646
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:51.599
and since then we've been having an ongoing conversation about

647
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.599
those results and then recommendations based on results, then me

648
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:57.719
challenging some of those recommendations than me suggesting other things.

649
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.280
That's when you get to the real power of AI

650
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:02.920
is when you engage with it as a thought partner

651
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:07.960
in that way. And when you do that, the results

652
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:09.920
are amazing. And so now I'm at the point where

653
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:11.880
I really treat it as a as a member of

654
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:13.920
my leadership team. So at the end of each month,

655
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.360
I say, here's what we accomplished this month. Here's here's

656
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.079
what's changed in the data that you already have, and

657
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:21.599
it says, oh, look, you know that happened faster than

658
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:22.760
you know. I just did this at the end of

659
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:24.639
end of July, and it was like, well, you know,

660
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:28.679
your your biz dev pipeline is fuller than we thought

661
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.360
it was going to be right now. And you know,

662
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.920
on the other hand, you're behind on relaunching your podcast,

663
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.920
you know, and and you know it. It noted those things,

664
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:40.639
and then we had discussion about why those are the

665
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:43.239
case and what are the learnings from that, what worked,

666
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.960
what didn't work, And again it's it's it's treating it

667
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:49.000
as a member of your team, and that's how I

668
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:51.000
view it. I go back to that to that now

669
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.760
one hundred and twenty six year old almost quote from

670
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.880
Dale Carnegie about surround yourself with the smartest people and

671
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:00.119
listen to them. That's what I use AI for. I

672
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.920
don't let them, I don't let the AI make the

673
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.440
decisions to run the company, but it becomes part of

674
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.760
a team, and I think that's where the real power

675
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:10.480
is in this. There's but you know, going to your

676
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.679
other point, David, about the disruption that we're facing. You know,

677
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.599
I spend a lot of time because of my new company,

678
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:20.000
and because I have friends, you know, who are AI

679
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.519
CEOs of AI companies and stuff here in Silicon Valley

680
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:27.320
talking with folks about this. And the one thing that

681
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.360
all of my friends who are intimately involved professionally in

682
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.639
AI say is that this is not the Industrial Revolution.

683
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:35.639
That's the wrong way to be thinking about this.

684
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:40.039
AH say more, this is fire. Okay, Yeah, this.

685
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:44.239
Is the invention of fire. It's not. The Industrial revolution

686
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:48.199
allowed us to do what we were already doing better, faster, cheaper,

687
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:52.239
more efficiently, better quality. Buyer changed the way we existed

688
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.519
as human beings. Yeah, fire did everything help us to

689
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:59.119
stop eating raw meat to putting a man on the moon.

690
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.519
And that's how fundamentally transformative AI is now. Buyer may

691
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.480
be a bit of an exaggeration, but it's not much

692
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.280
of one. And the point is that whatever is happening

693
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:12.800
is much bigger than the Industrial Revolution, and most people

694
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.360
don't see that yet. Most people don't see the transformation.

695
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:18.239
I was at a party this weekend and I was

696
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:22.039
talking with one of my neighbors, and he's a lawyer,

697
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:25.320
successful lawyer, and he was telling me that his daughter

698
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:28.679
just graduated from law school and he has he's terrified.

699
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:31.280
He said, top of her class too, from a great

700
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.280
law school. But he said, I have no idea how

701
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:36.519
she's going to earn a living. I have absolutely no idea,

702
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:41.119
Because let's be honest, right now, an AI can do

703
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:43.320
a better job of drawing up a legal contract on

704
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.519
pretty much any topic than the best lawyers in the world,

705
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:48.800
and it can do it in a matter of minutes,

706
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.159
and it can do it for just the cost of

707
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:55.519
your monthly subscription. And I've gone through and had my

708
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:58.039
AI check all of my existing contracts that were done

709
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by human lawyers, and there's not a single one it

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didn't find mistaken, not a single one. But at the

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same time, what AI can't do is be a successful litigator,

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a successful negotiator to negotiate the terms of the contract.

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But the question, the problem we have to solve for

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as a society now as a species man, is how

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do people learn those skills? How does someone go from

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being a freshly graduated law school student who just passed

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the bar to a to a successful litigator to a

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top litigator if she never has the chance to spend

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ten years doing in the trenches doing routine contracts, which

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is how you learn those skills in part. And so

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we have to solve for that. But the point is

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is that so many jobs I mean, you know, look,

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here's the reality. Any job that is done with a

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computer either can already be done better by AI or

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will be able to be done better by a with

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the next traments.

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It's that simple.

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And so you know, I, because I travel all the

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time and because I'm a reasonably successful person. I always

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get asked almost always at airports by like, you know,

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airport staff and stuff. It seems like, hey, you know,

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like I've got a son who's in school or a

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daughter who's in school. What do you recommend? I just

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had this conversation in India a couple of months ago.

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Or the guy who is who was taking me through

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security and stuff asked me. He said, so you know

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what he was, He's like, I just graduated from colleges.

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Is I'm just doing this job? Will I figure out

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what to do? He said, what's your advice to be?

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What career should I be in? And for years I

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said the same thing. For years I said engineering, because

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I said, if you're an engineer, you're guaranteed work good job.

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You know, engineering, pick your pick your battle, mechanical, electrical,

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you know, whatever it is, you're good. Now I say

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electrician and like I said, this guy he was like

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what I said. Electricians are are the most in demand

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job in the world today because to create all of

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the infrastructure that we need for AI, you need astronomically

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more electricians than exist in the world right now. And

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we are a long way from AI powered robots being

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able to do wiring and things like that.

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So that's so we're going to have to unfortunately leave

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it at that because I need to close out this episode,

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But if you can stay on after the show ends

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and we can chat further about if you'd like to

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come back on, because I think we've just scratched the

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surface on some of this and it would be privilege

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to continue to go a little bit deeper, especially around

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how do we apply generative AI to our own emotional

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psychological career, you know that personal side. You were talking

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about the benefits of leveraging AI in business strategy and

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the unconsultant and challenging the bot. I think there's another

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layer of the onion that I'd love to explore with you. Well, terrific,

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So let me just wrap up and then we'll continue

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our chat offline. So if you enjoyed this episode, I

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just invite you to share it with somebody that you

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think might benefit. Our theme next week could be extending

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this conversation with Bryce if he has the time. If not,

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then I'm going to delve into personal branding, which is

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an important concept that I learned that if I had

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known that my brand is people's experience of me. It's

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not my colors or fonts or graphics, but it's how

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do I want to be known and how do I

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want to show up in the world. And you're either

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managing your brand or it's managing you, and so I

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choose to be more proactive of that. So next Monday,

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much for investing your valuable time on behalf of Rice Offman,

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the unconsultant, Rebel Medler, our producer, and our entire Talk

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We are better together. Now let's go regenerate.

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Thank you for listening to Regenerate with Captain Dave on

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grace and race the messy middle and see you every

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