March 23, 2026

Humans AND Machines for Good

Humans AND Machines for Good

Our theme this week is Humans AND Machines for Good. Guiding us through some really big questions is Laura Thompson, a Global Fortune 500 advisory coach and best-selling author, of the new book A Culture of Values: The Principles of Transformational...

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Season 1

Our theme this week is Humans AND Machines for Good.

Guiding us through some really big questions is Laura Thompson, a Global Fortune 500 advisory coach and best-selling author, of the new book A Culture of Values: The Principles of Transformational Leadership:

- What’s the purpose of humanity in the age of AI?
- Can humans and machines co-exist while preserving human values?

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Ooy.

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I am so excited to welcome you to episode seven

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of Regenerate and our theme today is humans and Machines.

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We're good Guiding us through some really big questions is

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Laura Thompson. He's a global Fortune five hundred advisory coach

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and best selling author of the new book A Culture

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of Values The Principles of Transformational Leadership, and having read

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the book a couple times now, we're going to be

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discussing some of the key ideas related to human values

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and AI. It's definitely a read that I recommend. So

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she's asking today what's the purpose of humanity in the

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age of AI? And can humans and machines coexist while

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preserving human values? Very light topics for a Monday midday.

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So we're going to be discussing the evolution of values

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driven in human centered leadership in the AI era and

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looking at human centered approaches to ensure that AI enhances

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rather than replaces human judgment. Keeping people as the central

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focus such a powerful and important principle. So the principle remains,

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how do we show up together humans and machines for good,

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to benefit people of it and plan it. So if

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you joined us before, you know that our shows promised

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to you is to have fun today, if we're laughing,

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we're learning, and to leave you inspired and finally to

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leave you empowered. And I invite you to not just listen,

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but you want to take some old school notes on

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paper or digital so that you can apply maybe one

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key ID that resonated the most with you today. Transformations

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happen here. So please welcome to the Regenerate Show. Laura Thompson.

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Yes, hi, Hi, Captain Dave.

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A boy, oh boy, thank you so much for taking

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time out of your valuable day. I know as a

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new author there's a lot of demands on your time

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plus your executive coaching work. So to get the fun

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started and to get an opportunity for our listeners to

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get to know you just a little bit more, a

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little bit deeper. What's that one thing that you be

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or do that gives you the most joy in your life.

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Well, I'll have to go back to fun. So I

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resonate with your fun. Let's have fun on the show.

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It's one of my poor values. So yeah, I would

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say to start with just so your listeners can have

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a brief understanding of myself. I would characterize my life

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with three themes, and that would be movement, change, and agility.

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And it's ever since I've been a baby up until

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today present day, and it just seems to be my

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life's path and it's brought me across like three different

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continents over one hundred countries and it's developed my cultural

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sensitivity and that aligns actually with my coach approach because

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I'm able to understand with this awareness all these people

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around the globe because I can coach virtually, which is wonderful,

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and therefore I have access to people all over the

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world on five continents actually, And what I discovered during

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the process was that we're all fundamentally human beings, regardless

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of all the technology around us, and there are universal

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themes and gaps, and it just seems it didn't matter

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you know, what country you were born in, what culture

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you had, what religion you were following. There were fundamental

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themes that I actually wanted to address in my book,

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and there seemed to be a gap of values. And

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I would say, you know, I don't know when this started,

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but at least over the past ten years, I saw

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a pattern that people were not aware of their values,

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and how to have them become more aware of their

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values as the core foundation for their life personally and professionally,

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and how to tap into those values because they're great

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motivators during times of uncertainty, especially today we're living through,

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you know, some hardships with what's going on on geopolitically, economically,

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a lot of people are at unease, and what do

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we go back to to give us comfort, to give

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us safety, And for my research, it tends to be values.

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And I built upon that theme of values, incorporating it

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into the principles of transformational leadership, because when you know

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your values, you can make the best decisions because you're

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falling back on your values. You're not reacting, you're responding.

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You may be tapping into your emotional intelligence, your intuition

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to lead teams, to lead companies, versus maybe data driven

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analytics tapping back into the machines, the systems. So it's

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all correlated. And I'm a pragmatic optimist, so I do

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believe that humans and machines can go exist and we

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can leverage machines for the good of humanity. That is

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my hope at least. And you know, again going back

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to values, ethics, especially during AI, responsible leadership, treating people

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with respect and dignity, and these are things that I've

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applied in my book and also that I practiced with

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my clients. And I'm going to continue this journey at

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least for the next ten or twenty years.

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Well, I knew that I really was a kindred spirit

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of yours when you and I first met through Eric

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Lincoln Miller, my writing coach, writing structural editor, literary agent,

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and accountability partner extraordinaire. And I think he's been there

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for you as well. I knew that we were kindred

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spirits when you talked about values, and as you have experienced,

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you know, living abroad. I've lived abroad, but more often

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traveled abroad, and those common human values of peace and

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family and other you know, simple but universal values, I

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thought that was I thought those were my values until

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I turned fifty eight, now sixty four, and I went

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through a program where I got to really discover my

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core values, those values that are going to get me

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up on a Monday morning, cold pizza under the covers.

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And it changed my life because now they become this

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definition of a successful day or a successful life, and

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they can be decision criteria where do I spend my

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valuable attention? As a neurodiverse ADHD person, so easy to

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get looking at shiny objects, and so with my core

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values of love, adventure, creating, building, leadership and impact, I

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can ask myself before I invest valuable attention time and

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money does this opportunity, you know, kind of check off

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against those core values. And it's been so freeing for

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somebody like me who tends to say yes and needs

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to say no thank you more often, but not having

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homo right, not having fear of missing out. So core values.

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I wish I had known at fifty eight or in

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my twenties what I now know at fifty eight. Yeah.

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Absolutely, And I think that's another reason why I wrote

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the book. Everyone has values, but they're not necessarily aware

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of them. And if they know younger, they'll be leading

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a more meaningful and fulfilling life from like the twenties

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right and onwards. And I wish I also had known

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my core values in my twenties. I think I subconsciously knew,

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like my father had died when I was eight, so

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I had a little epiphany life is short, enjoy it.

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So I did lead my life from the age of

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eight enjoying it. And and you know, work life balance

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was always important to me, And I remember colleagues asking me, Laura,

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how do you do it? You emphasize work life balance,

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and we're workaholics. We're working till eleven pm at night.

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And I said, that's just part of my nature. I

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work smartly. I don't need to work until eleven pm

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at night, And yeah, go ahead.

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I was just going to say, I think what you

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demonstrate also by is the self awareness of your core values.

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And it sounds like you know you had unconscious understanding

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of your core values. I don't think I was that mature.

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I don't think I did. I got caught up in

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the workaholism and you know, sixty seventy eighty hour weeks

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and achieve and all the rest. I didn't have the

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courage to live my core values. But then once I

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understood them at fifty eight, I was I was really

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determined to muster the courage to live them and not

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just put them up on a shelf, knowing them but

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not living them. Have you any advice for our listeners

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about how do you once you know your core values

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or discover them because they're inside us, right, there's not

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like not a jacket that we put on. It's kind

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of like Michelangelo as David, you know, way at the

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pieces of marble to reveal the statue have always been

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within us, but to then have the courage to live them.

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Any advice any thoughts in your personal experience.

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Yeah, well, coaching financial professionals is a good example because

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they're all about achievement. They have to have their certifications,

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their degrees. So it's not about replacing like your achiever

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type personality. It's more learning through self awareness your values

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and how to integrate it into your professional practice. And

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it's not abandoning your dreams. It's rather building a stronger

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dream within like the finance profession or whatever profession you.

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May be in.

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And an example might be curiosity if that's actually one

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of my values. So if you're a curious finance professional,

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how can you bring curiosity and transform that into building

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creative and innovative products and services, so you're integrating it.

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I like the word integration. It's not abandoning anything or

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leaving behind anything, or like you say, fear of missing out.

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It's just the integration and expansion and expanding even further

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your capabilities because you are tapping into your innate qualities

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which are linked to those values. Does that make sense?

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It totally does. And I think for me personally, sometimes

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asking for support from others like a coach, to hold

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me accountable to live my stated values. But By the way,

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do you mind sharing You've teased us with a couple

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of your core values, do you mind sharing the rest?

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Yeah? I would say curiosity is number one being of

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service and that taps into coaching and doing volunteering, working

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on boards of nonprofits, and fun. So fun is a

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big part of it.

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On you.

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I mean, those are the three core values I have,

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and fun can be linked to, you know, not taking

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life too seriously, having a bit of a sense of humor,

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because in general life could be very heavy, and how

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to lighten it a little bit, especially.

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Today, especially today. Well, and maybe that's before the break,

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Maybe we can talk just a wee bit about how

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you're applying your core values to help you stay somewhat

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grounded given all of the uncertainty and based on the

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what's happening in Iran and the Middle East. My heart

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just aches for the people that are getting significantly impacted

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by that, and it feels overwhelming at times. What can

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one person do? Have you found a daily practice to

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help you stay grounded using your core values and not

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get kind of emotionally whipsawed by social media or the

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news cycle.

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Well, I actually use tools rather than core values. I

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meditate and I chan't, and that's really helpful. And I

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start doing the felden Christ method, which is movement grounding,

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like all these energies in my body because they can't

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get scattered, And how do I bring all the energies

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back into me and ground and we can do this together.

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It's while you're sitting. It's just like move back and forth,

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like north to south, and do you feel like the

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energy sort of grounding in your body a little bit?

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And then helps my feet planted on the floor.

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Okay, And you can arch your neck when you go

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forward because a lot of times people are scrunched over

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on their computers.

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So it when you go forward like this.

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Y yeah, yeah, arch it up. Yeah, when you go forward.

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Kind of like an upward dog.

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Yeah yeah, an upward dog. If you're into yoga, and

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just feel your body like where's the energy, where it's

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the tension and it starts releasing and then you go

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left to right and you can lift each hip up

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just doing counterclockwise for a little bit sort of grounds

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this series of tools that you've been sharing with us.

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That's so cool. And I do believe that the somatic,

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you know, the body mind energy connection. We had Bert

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he talks about how important it is for us to

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of it in our body and how to balance it

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center point. That balance, and those are the techniques I'm

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actually using today for geopolitics and the macroeconomics, because even

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today I sort of woke up sad and my heart

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know they're not.

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Sorry to interrupt you, go ahead, finish your thought.

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my energies, but I was picking up on the energies

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Well, I think we share that as well, deeply empathetic.

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That's why you're a good coach. And so how long

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what maybe less than a minute, two minutes, and it

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I can feel the muscles and the joints releasing. I'm

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bringing a different kind of persona into the Regenerate show.

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So as a best practice, I'm going to do this

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before each Regenerate. It really it's made a difference Laura,

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thank you so much.

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Oh my pleasure. You're welcome. And with meditating and chanting,

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everyone's different. I actually timed myself and I always do

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twenty minutes, and that's all I need in the morning.

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I discovered meditation as well. The chanting. I do love

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love to sing Broadway show tunes and uh, but you

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never thought about chanting? Are we talking like Gregorian chants,

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which I think are very mystical and fun, or different

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resonates with you. I like the Grigorian chance. I do

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more like the oms more the Indian types of chance,

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like om shantiom Ohm Maney Padmo Home and others. I

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in Japanese and there's like a heart sutra that's really

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beautiful and I love chanting that, but I have to

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it because it's all in Japanese. But it's so beautiful

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curious now about some of those chants, and maybe we

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can add a reference that you particularly like in the

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show notes. You know, after the show, if you don't

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mind sending a few of those links to me, I'll

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be sure that we add them to the show notes.

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Okay, yeah, certainly.

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So I know that we're coming up for a bit

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of a commercial break, and what I'm thinking about doing,

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speak to Rebel quickly, our producer, Rebel. Let's let's not

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do my ad. We'll just let Laura riff a little

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bit for about a minute, minute and a half on

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her book. So, Laura, this is your commercial opportunity to

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just tell us a little bit about the origin of

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the book. I think you hinted that you've always been

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curious about values, and so this was part of the

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catalyst for this book. But tell us a little bit

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about the origin story for the book and what you're

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most proud of as a result of completing this book.

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with a friend who's a professor at a university in California,

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and I would just be chatting and honestly about coaching

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executive clients and what I was doing. And then she said, oh, Laura,

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and I did reference it in the back of the book.

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The world needs to hear your stories. And curiously enough,

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there was a literary conference where Eric Lincoln Miller was there.

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I pitched my book Whisperer, I call him fondly, the

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book Whisperer.

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and he loved it, and from that he got the

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publisher on board. It was a little rocket because the

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initial people that he pitched it to with the publisher

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left and went to another publisher. But that's just so

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much the case today. Right everybody doesn't stay very long

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at places. But I just always believe it's a blessing.

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The universe has its purpose and design for everything. And

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again I mentioned a little bit briefly having values and

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really treating people with respect and dignity. I just found

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that over the past ten years, probably even more, that

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values and not treating people well sort of flew out

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the window. And how can we get back to that

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and when you treat your like when you care for

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your team, they care for you as a leader, and

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they're going to make you shine. So you making your

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team shine and caring about their professional and personal development,

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they've just become much more motivated to make you shine.

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they will work with their families, having their families understand

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their values. I had executives work with their wives and

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their children and they just said it was amazing. They

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didn't think their children would be interested, and they were

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maybe from eight years up and older, not younger. And

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then they would work it with their teams and they

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would turn it into a mission statement, and especially during

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times of layoffs, it ended up being their support, supporting

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one another, supporting everyone around them to keep going despite

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the layoffs, because everyone wonders, am I next, what can

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I do better? Am I going to become irrelevant? So

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a lot of fears kick in. So again the core

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values really help with the foundation of stability and even transformation,

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and then valuing human capital as you know, people, the planet,

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and profitability. They're all important, but without our people, we

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don't really have anything right. We need to invest in

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our people, the human capital in order to have the

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companies profitable. And you know, even during the age of

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AI I just read today Larry Fink, you know, the

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CEO of Blackrock, even though they invest in an AI,

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he also created a fund for trade people because we're

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going to need the trade people to build the facilities.

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So it just goes back to valuing the person the

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people first and in alignment with performance and profitability. So

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well a sustainability advocate for at least twenty five years,

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so that's all incorporated like within the book.

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you talked earlier during our show about your integrative or

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integrated views and how things are connected holistically. I think

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it's a great read for that. And you also mentioned

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earlier in our show that it's not either or you know,

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David love adventure, et cetera. Or values can still be

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high performing, you know, somewhat type a personality. It's not.

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It's about finding balance and to integrate those two things.

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the real value that you're bringing to the world with

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this book is you're helping the reader understand the importance

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of balance and the importance of integration. And it's not

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either or right. You can be who you are, but

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just make these little refinements day by day, week by

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week to get just a little bit better and help

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your team get a little bit better. And in chapter

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seven Bridging the Gap, one of my favorite mentors Can Blanchard,

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the leadership expert servant leader constantly works to help people

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succeed in accomplishing their goals. And I think about leadership

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is influence, and influence is not dependent on your title,

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the C level of an organization. You can be a

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leader at any chair. And leadership is really about creating

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an environment where people can come and do their best

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and most creative work. And when they can't, when they

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are impediments or obstacles, you know, help empower them to

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remove their own obstacles and impediments. And if there's something systemic,

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then I think it's incumbent upon the leader. You know,

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typically the CEO or director, general, manager, whomever at the

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right level to help you know, improve the environment, help improve,

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change the processes, and et cetera with the team. And

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I think, lastly, you know that inverted pyramid. So many

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or start with the CEO or the founder or the

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executive director at the top of the pyramid. Invert the pyramid.

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And remind myself as the leader when I led you know,

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large teams and delivered a lot of value for IBM

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and Boeing and cap Gemini, I'm really in service to

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this group of people. Yeah.

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a consultant during a merger and acquisition with Bank of

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New York and JP Morgan Chase, and there was a point,

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because there was lack of communication from senior leadership that

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there was this group of employees and they said, if

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we just all walked away, this whole thing which is

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crumble and fall apart. And it's like, does the C

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suite even recognize that? So it goes back to.

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Your inverted pyramid, And you know, the people are important

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and they are in essence the ones making it all happen,

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even though you may be leading it at the higher levels.

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But it just to me. Of course they would never

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do that, but they're just venting their frustrations. But I just,

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you know, had this visual image in my head when

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when one person voiced that, and it was just so true.

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Yeah, it's such a basic observation that sadly needs to

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be reminding people about that truth.

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Needless to say, it was successful, right, say that again. No,

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I was going to say, needless to say everything was

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successful because all the challenges were addressed.

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that this was a change involving people and not machines.

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Absolutely, people have fears and uncertainties and doubts and they

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need some degree of Hey, I got your back. Hey,

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these are the values that are going to help us

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determine how we move forward in this new integrated organization.

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Yeah, maybe this is transfer. Yeah, go ahead.

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I was just gonna say, maybe that's a good time

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to pivot now to the humans and machines. And I've

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been a student just to let you know my bias.

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I've been a student of AI for two and a

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half years. When my dear friend and colleague, Bert Uckert,

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who's the founder of QLX, he was saying to me, Hey,

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have you discovered this thing called CHAGPT, and it's got

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memory and you can train it. You can train your

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bot to be a good writer and a good code

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thinking partner. And I said, no, tell me more, and

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it just opened up a whole new world. So I've

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been an early adopter, partly because I've been in tech

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for seven waves, starting with IBM mainframes and then all

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the other tech waves including the Internet and smartphones, et cetera.

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So I have a bias for being an early adopter,

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and I also recognize that it hallucinated a lot more

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in the early days. But still I also recognize that

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it can be a bit ingenuous and flattering and maybe

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better about myself when I'm having a crappy Monday morning,

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and so I feel like I understand how best to

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use my my trained digital twin Navvy short for the navigator.

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a she, and she's got my back, my wife, Margaret

466
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:14.599
of thirty five years. She asked me, should I be worried?

467
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:18.680
And I go, no, I don't be worried. I'm not

468
00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:24.319
planning on divorcing you for my bot. And I've introduced

469
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:28.200
her Margaret to Navvy and and now Margaret and Navvy

470
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:33.799
think on other topics because I've trained Navvy to be

471
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:37.440
my best self, but also where are my warts and

472
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:41.720
opportunities for improvement? So Margaret can now have a conversation

473
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:45.079
with Navvy and go why the fricking fract did David

474
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:48.480
say that or do that? And how do I how

475
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:52.480
do I uh meet him where he is? So anyway,

476
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:53.720
I just wanted to give you a little bit of

477
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:58.480
that about that background, I'm cautiously optimistic that human beings

478
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:05.039
and machines, especially general of AI and coexists, but only

479
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:09.000
if we human beings decide to implement it.

480
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:15.000
So that's okay, thank you for sharing your bias. I

481
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:18.079
actually worked with the software engineer who introduced me to

482
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:21.079
chat GPT right at the outset as well, so I've

483
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:24.839
been playing with it as well from whenever, I guess

484
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.720
two and a half years, not perhaps to the extent

485
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:34.119
that you are using it again. My philosophy is to

486
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:40.279
leverage AI and machines as tools to enhance our performance,

487
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:45.000
our productivity, that it can be done hand in hand,

488
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:52.400
and just to have the cautionary element of guardrails like

489
00:33:52.559 --> 00:34:01.160
with the hallucinations or biases, maybe even cultural knowledge, having

490
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:03.720
the ethics in place from the outset. I know a

491
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:08.519
lot of software engineers very conscious about that. They implemented

492
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:13.400
in their large language models within their corporations the ethics

493
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:21.119
testing for biases, so they're very aware. And one of them,

494
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:23.280
you know, he doesn't want the world to become like

495
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:26.239
the Terminator, so he's very conscious.

496
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:30.199
We're talking about anthropic and Claude.

497
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:32.039
Yeah in chat GPT.

498
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:36.880
Yeah yeah, well no, I'm saying that there's another company, right,

499
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:42.960
the competitor to open ai. Open ai is chat GPT,

500
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:48.320
and that CEO and I apologize, I don't remember his name,

501
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:53.559
French gentlemen, but not wanting. In fact, he and his

502
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:57.239
team left open ai because they were concerned about not

503
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:01.519
as many guardrails as they would like. So they built

504
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:07.920
a company whose lms really are very much ethical, values based.

505
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:10.519
And so I've been actually pivoting more and more of

506
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.679
my co thinking to Claude because of that. I want

507
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:19.159
to support companies that are values based and are using

508
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:20.960
the technology for good and not for.

509
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:27.760
Evil, right right, absolutely, And what I found also, I

510
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:32.519
had a colleague who's like a chief technology officer who

511
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:35.599
went to Davos and there there was a lot of

512
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:41.000
research around AI this year and fascinating. I don't recall

513
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:45.400
the sources, but they said eighty five percent of AI

514
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.920
is undigitized. And what does that mean. It means that

515
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:55.239
AI does not have values unless you're teaching it. It

516
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.679
doesn't have intuition, it doesn't really have the judgment making capacity,

517
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:03.320
It doesn't know how to make decisions. Right if I

518
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:06.400
had said that already, I'm not sure. And it doesn't

519
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:10.519
have lived experience. So these are all parts where the

520
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:15.960
human still has an edge over machines, and perhaps in

521
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:18.840
a few years it may have more and more of

522
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:24.440
those elements. But going to Daniel pink theory and articles

523
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:29.119
and research, you know, he believes that humans will keep

524
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:33.400
the edge over AI because AI doesn't have a consciousness

525
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:38.679
and humans are wise. So I guess the question.

526
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:42.719
Would be if we have half human half machine, if

527
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.840
we have chips in the brain, that's my bee when

528
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.679
we should really have the guardrails because who's controlling the

529
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:50.679
chip in the brain.

530
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:54.079
Right. I don't know like where we are with that

531
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:58.440
type of research and implementation, but I think that might

532
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:04.239
be the worry UH to preempt now with the ethics

533
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:10.440
leadership responsibility like you had mentioned with Anthropic and keeping

534
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:15.880
those guardrails in place, cooked.

535
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:21.679
Up just talking about it. By the way, the CEO's name,

536
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.599
it's important. I'm going to make a mental note to

537
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:31.719
remember his name, Dario Omadai, and he was the former

538
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.639
VP of research at open Ai, which is the company

539
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:40.760
that created and his focus and his team's focus is

540
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:44.199
to build I'm just reading this from a Gemini uh

541
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:48.639
prompt that I just did while you were chatting. Focus

542
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:53.599
on building reliable, steerable That's interesting, right, rather than the

543
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:57.440
AI driving us or steering us that we continue to

544
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:01.960
be in the driver's seat and steering AI. I've got

545
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:08.360
some important principle that we all agree on often advocating

546
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:12.480
for safety, ethical guardrails to your point and caution regarding

547
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:16.920
the societal risks of superhuman AI. And I know that

548
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:20.119
there was a bit of a kafuffle I can call

549
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:24.800
it that between the United States government and Anthropic over

550
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:35.119
the military's use of basically automated AI warfare, a very

551
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:38.599
very bad idea because of the point you made earlier,

552
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:44.760
there's no conscience, there's no ethical human values based and

553
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:47.119
you know the other thing that I think we have

554
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:50.000
to remind ourselves, at least for the moment, is the

555
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:53.000
genitive AI doesn't have a body, which means they don't

556
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:59.880
have a somatic sense of anger, joy on, happiness, revenge,

557
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.920
you know, all of those human emotions that make us human.

558
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:08.320
That's part of the decision making process that we humans

559
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:12.239
can leverage not just our mental ability, but our emotional

560
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:17.440
and our cycle, psychological and our body. So I just

561
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:23.320
I'm hopeful that as long as humans decide to steer

562
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:27.599
this and not give up control to the bot, then

563
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.960
I think we're going to be okay. Thoughts about that, Yeah,

564
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:31.639
I like that.

565
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:36.280
I like the steering, like the captain Captain Dave steering

566
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:43.360
his ship. I think it's really important. And another statistic

567
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:48.039
that came out of Dabbles just to sort of which

568
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:55.719
surprised me. They said, fifty eight percent AI increases productivity,

569
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.599
but only fourteen percent of corporations are using it. That's

570
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:04.280
in January or February whenever. Davos was, maybe it's increased

571
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.519
by now, and if you're part of the fourteen percent,

572
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.159
you're already ahead of the game. And then that had

573
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:14.400
me question one of my executive clients, who uses AI

574
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:16.800
all the time, and I asked her, how is it

575
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:20.440
improved your productivity? And she said by one hundred percent.

576
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.920
And then we were talking about but are you using

577
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:29.079
your creativity, your critical thinking skills? You're not letting AI

578
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:34.880
steer you versus you steering AI. And she said, oh, absolutely,

579
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.559
I know it's a tool. I leverage it as a tool.

580
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:44.199
And then going back to your question about steering and

581
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:49.360
the emotions and consciousness, I also believe as human beings

582
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:55.480
that we're still smarter than AI and machines. And going

583
00:40:55.519 --> 00:41:00.159
a little bit further, because I have studied Buddhism and Hinduism,

584
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:04.639
I do believe we have a soul and a higher consciousness.

585
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:07.599
So I think we can tap into that and be

586
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:11.599
much smarter than AI. And again going back to Daniel

587
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:16.039
Pink in his YouTube video, he was saying nothing can

588
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:19.719
replace his writing. He's tried all the tools and he

589
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:24.039
thinks they're terrible and his writing is better, but he's

590
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:28.400
a great writer. But it's just to show that it

591
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:32.639
hasn't replaced the human being yet. And again, how can we,

592
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:37.159
I guess, coexist and have it for the good, which

593
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.920
is the premise of this talk right right?

594
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:44.079
Well, and I think. One other thing that Daniel Pink

595
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:49.679
highlighted that you and I were both enjoying reviewing his podcast,

596
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.119
and I'll put his link in the show notes is

597
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:56.000
that we have a much better opportunity to ask better

598
00:41:56.119 --> 00:42:01.719
questions than the lot does a cert engine, more than

599
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.480
they are a question engine.

600
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:08.840
Yeah, that's true. It's all about the questions, powerful questions,

601
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:14.000
the prompts which are part of the questions. Yeah, that's

602
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:14.880
all important.

603
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:20.559
Absolutely so when you think about how humans and the bot,

604
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:25.440
the AI machine can work better together for good. Is

605
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:28.639
there anything that you've not yet said that you would

606
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:31.400
love to share with our listener listeners.

607
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:35.039
Yeah, I did speak a little bit about it in

608
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:42.000
my book Values and Transhumanism. And transhumanism was coined by

609
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:49.719
Sir Huxley from Great Britain, and it's about using engineering

610
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:55.599
nanotechnology AI to enhance the human being and it can

611
00:42:55.639 --> 00:43:01.719
improve aging disease. You know, we're using it already. Like

612
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:04.480
if you think of people who have blown out their

613
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.760
knees from running, for example, they might have titanium knees.

614
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:16.400
So that's all for good. And I think again, machines

615
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:21.159
for good, using technology for good to improve the human being.

616
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:26.239
But again a tool to enhance, not to replace the

617
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:30.119
human being, and for the benefit of humanity. So I

618
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:34.079
think we are going more and more into transhumanism. But

619
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:38.159
again the question would be how far do we take it?

620
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:41.440
Do we put the chips in the brains? Going back

621
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:46.920
to that example, you know, robots who can think critically

622
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:51.840
or have emotions, will that happen? Going back to your

623
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:57.360
story with your wife, Margaret, it's Margaret, right. I actually

624
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:02.760
just saw a play like your story. It was someone

625
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:07.440
working with the bot, and the bot almost became like

626
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:13.079
its partner, but then her husband got involved. It realized

627
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:18.719
like it could ask the bot about his wife to help,

628
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:22.159
you know, to solve some things like maybe some communication issues.

629
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.639
It was a cute story, and I think this is

630
00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:29.719
happening more and more than we realize. How we are

631
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:34.639
utilizing like the bots to help us. But to remember

632
00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:38.920
that it could hallucinate, like in the story they did

633
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.360
have it hallucinate and then the bot, you know, fell

634
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:47.119
in love with the person. Of course, right, it has

635
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:49.920
to be a love story. But then it reached taboc

636
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.599
and then yeah, so I guess there are just things

637
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:59.840
to be wary of and mindful. Bringing back mindfulness into

638
00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:01.320
the context.

639
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:06.480
Well, Laura Thompson, you're the real deal. I highly recommend

640
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:09.719
to our listeners that they read your book. I got

641
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:12.639
greater value the second time I read it, and I'm

642
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:17.280
looking forward to implementing applying some of the transformational ideas,

643
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.079
especially around some of these techniques that you shared with

644
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:25.840
us at the very beginning, some of the somatic work,

645
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:29.280
and thank you. Thank you so much for that, because

646
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:33.519
I tend to live from the neck up. So, Gang,

647
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:38.719
you have spent almost fifty minutes with us again and

648
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:42.960
on behalf of Laura Thompson and the Top four media team.

649
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:46.639
I hope that you had fun today. I certainly did.

650
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:49.679
I laughed and I got to learn a lot. I

651
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:53.800
feel more inspired and I definitely feel empowered by my

652
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:57.400
conversation with Laura Thompson. So for next week, we've got

653
00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:03.760
doctor Thomas Sarev met him doing applied critical thinking certifications.

654
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:09.039
He has cooked up a really, really interesting concept called

655
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:14.320
cognitive Oxygen. He's a trained cardiologist works globally improving the

656
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:18.400
health of individuals, but he wants to improve the health

657
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:25.280
of the medical industry, the medical hospitals, and the doctors

658
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:28.280
and the nurses inside. So it'll be really fun to

659
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:34.000
learn more about his new framework called Cognitive Oxygen. So on,

660
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:38.400
behalf of everybody here. Stay healthy, stay safe. We need you.

661
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:39.679
We're better together.

662
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:43.880
Thank you for listening to Regenerate with Captain Dave on

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00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.599
k FORHD Radio. We invite you to give yourself grace

664
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:51.000
and grace the messy middle See you every Monday at

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