March 9, 2026

Purpose Over Podium

Purpose Over Podium
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Season 1

In this show we’re navigating the topic of high-performance, personal transformation with Olympic sailor and high-performance coach, Yannick Lefebvre, from Belgium.
We’re going to be sharing authentic stories about navigating the messy middle of identity shifts and challenges to create breakthroughs to deliver even higher performance than you ever thought possible while enjoying the journey!

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We dive into the real messy work of transforming our lives.

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Leadership and organizations bring their hot mess and confusion. Lead

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with clarity, courage and confidence. Together, let's strengthen our resilience,

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accelerating the health of ourselves, people, plant and profits. Now

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here's your host, Captain Dave. You're personal regenerator. All aboard.

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Ohoy, I am so excited to welcome you to the

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fifth episode of Regenerate. Our theme this week is purpose

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over Podium. In this show, we're navigating the topic of

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high performance with Janik Lefevre from Belgium. He's an Olympic

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sailor and a high performance coach, and we're going to

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be sharing authentic stories about navigating the messy middle of

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identity shifts and challenges to creating breakthroughs that deliver even

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higher performance than you ever bought possible. And of course,

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if you're a guest of the show, you know that

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we're going to have a lot of fun because our

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promise to you is when we're laughing, we're learning, we

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want to leave you inspired and most importantly, we want

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to leave you empowered to not just survive, but to flourish.

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And especially with the news over the weekend, there's a

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lot of fear, uncertainty, and doubt. So I invite you

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to grab some paper, digital or old school and a

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pen so you can review and apply maybe one thing

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that resonates the most for you, because transformations happen here.

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So i'd like to introduce Janik. He's an Olympic level

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athlete who leverages high performance sailing as a laboratory love

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that for personal growth, resilience, and leadership. He's a leadership

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and high performance coach with ULX, working with business leaders,

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young talent executives, sports, high performing sports athletes, translating lessons

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from the water into practical tools for life and work.

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He's really passionate about helping next generation leaders develop self awareness, adaptability,

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and courage through experiential learning and of course sport, and

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I think sport has so much to offer leadership lessons.

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Janik advocates for purpose over podium, separating identity from metals

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while still pursuing world class results and his ambitious campaigns.

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And he combines Olympic level performance expertise and experience together

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with his academic education to assist people in their transformations.

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And if you've been a listener to the show, you'll

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know that we're defining transformation is becoming who you were

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meant to become. It is a passion to be a

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value to others on their journey towards their goals and

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fulfillment a kindred spirit. Please welcome Janick to our show.

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Hid so glad you're here. I know, with the time

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zone change and all that's going on in the world,

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I really appreciate you being here on the show today.

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So my fav started here. I'm so glad to get

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the fun started. What's that one thing that you love

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to be or do that gives you the most joy

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in your life.

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Actually, it's a bit contradictory, as I am a sailor

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and actually love sailing. I'm passionate about sailing that what

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I love to do the most is get up in

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the mountains, and that's what I feel quite at ease,

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relaxed and inspired. It inspires me to the mountains in

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the summer in the winter, and if I can add

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a nice hot coffee to that and some good talks,

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makes it totally worth it.

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Yes, well, you and I share two three interests as

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a fellow sailor. Sixty three thousand nautical miles now and

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five ocean adventures including a visit with a coast Guard

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helicopter when my wife's and my age you know, forty

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three sprang a leak two hundred miles off the Oregon coast.

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Great epic adventures. And I too love the mountain hiking

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and snowboarding and skiing. I think a lot of sailors

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actually do like the surf and turf, and of course

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a good cup of coffee.

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Yes and yeah, and the nature. It comes down to

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the nature. I think the connection with the nature and

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the views being able to watch far away the imperfection

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of the nature and being able to just enjoy that

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and and yeah, it gives me energy, and that's interesting.

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Yeah, I think you're right to offset all of our

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screens and all of the pressures of the day to

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day living being out in the messy middle of nature

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and seeing you, as you say, stepping back and looking

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at the patterns. They there's a lot of beauty, but

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then you zoom in and there's all sorts of dead

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leaves and dead branches and dead carcasses. I mean, the

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nature is massive, but it all works, doesn't it.

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So before what if I can add as to that?

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nature is you don't you have some situations, issued problems, whatever,

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but how the brain works, it's nice to let it

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go and be in the nature and you come back

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with much more creativity. And that I cannot name any sources,

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but I've read something that kids that went into nature,

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compared to kids that stay inside, they give to a

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certain test or certain questions get much more creative answers.

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don't like.

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The thick structure.

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I like to go out in nature to come back

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with something, to leave it be, and to to be

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creative and be stronger when I when I come back.

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And that's something that's the one thing, the one important

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idea that it's really important instead of like trying to

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I think really hard about it, but still be in

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a cage and not moving forward.

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I'll say I have had so many similar breakthroughs in

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nature bringing a problem that I just could not resolve.

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Often human relationship problems that I couldn't resolve. I call

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them polarities to manage. And you're right leaving those those

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problems back at home and going out into nature and

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just seeing the the expansiveness and realizing, Okay, are my

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problems really that big compared to this vista that I'm

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I'm looking at, or of course the ocean, as you know,

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well it's vast. It's very humbling to be on the ocean.

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And yeah, good good on you to share that strategy,

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I think, and we'll add to the show notes the research.

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Blue zones are those places in the world where people

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are living you know, over one hundred years old, way

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more per capita. But there's something called green zones, which

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are like you were saying nature parts of just walking

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in nature or sailing in nature. It really doesn't matter

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what you do. As long as you're looking at the

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water or looking at the mountains or being in the forest,

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it's grounding. It settles us. Anything else you want to

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add before we ask about your origin story, Like you.

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Say, it's being, it's like being in the nature and

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being in the moment. What I would say is like,

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we talk about the nature, but I think the movement

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of the of the body is also important. And when

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I feel down and I have it's a strength and

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also a weakness. I doubt myself, I put myself. I

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doubt myself really lot, which is a strength because I

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can think what I'm doing and and reinvent myself. But

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it's also a weakness because it's yeah, I doubt myself

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quite a lot. But when I have those moments, I try.

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I know I need to get out and start to move,

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and then the mind will follow the body, because when

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you're down and looking at the mountain, you often or

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I often think the solution will be somewhere here inside.

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So I start to to dig and to dig deeper, deeper, deeper,

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And yeah, that's that's a big learning point for me

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to I know I have I have to get out

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and not think about it anymore and to come back fresh.

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Yes, and one of our favorite people there, Eckert, who

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you know well, he was talking about that mind and

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energy body kind of tryad that if you want to

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change your attitude, change your emotions, move the body and

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the and the body will send new signals to the

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brain and quiet our our emotional system. So I always

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want to give our listeners just a little bit of

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a deeper dive into who you are, so before your

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executive coaching, before your Olympic sailing, what life experiences forged

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you into becoming the person you've become So far.

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I would say my education was rather loose, which there

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again was positive in the sense that I had to

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search for my own values and and and and fail

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and and come back and find my own way. But yeah,

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that made who I am in the sense that it

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was really important for me to discover what is important

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for me, and and it was not the parents that

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say that's important for you or important for us.

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That was more loose.

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So I had to discover that myself. But the most

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important thing from my education is is what I got

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is do what you love to do. And I have

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a lot of things to say about my education or

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my parents or how it went, and but that's that's

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something I will. I'm really grateful for and I can

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come back home with whatever plan or or if it

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doesn't work or I don't like to do it, okay,

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let's let's move on. And then for me in that

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discovery what I would like to do is really important

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because you as as a person, you want to do

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something new, you get discomfort. But is it discomfort because

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you it's really bad for you, or is it discomfort

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because you're a little bit scared because it's new. And

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that's that's a really thin balance and something I still

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need to learn and and like you made a link already,

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that's something I also through sailing, I learned this as well,

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because a lot of people want to do stuff and

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then they get a bit scared, and then then sometimes

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invent a story or the body invents a story, of

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the mind invents a story why it shouldn't be good.

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But it's it's often this this discomfort, and that's something

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trying to lean into that and to discover, Yeah, but

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is it really discomfort or it's a bit just scared

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of the unknown. And in the past, I was really

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scared of the unknown because I had this perfection mindset.

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I wanted to be perfect, to be so that the yeah,

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my parents would say a good job or doing well,

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but I totally need I needed to switch that to

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the growth and to the growth mindset, and that's what

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helped me grow. And that's what's most important for me

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at this point, is growing, and that's in all aspects

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of life.

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Wow, you're You're really inspiring me with sharing what you've

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just shared. I think there's so many interesting threads that

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we could pull out. The first one that I'd love

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to pull out with you is what a gift your

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family environment gave you, which was unlike my parents who

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viewed me as a lump of clay to be bolded

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and shaped. They wanted me to be a mathematician and

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then a lawyer. So there were interesting expectations, and I'm

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sure your parents also had fairly high expectations to live

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a happy, healthy life, and you had a lot of

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freedom to explore what a gift exactly.

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And sometimes I think I'm not a parent. I hope

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to be one someday. But I can imagine that if

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you want to do something really well, you want to

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do it really well and give all what you can do,

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and and that sometimes it's better to let go, and

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that's not easy. Sometimes it's better to believe it as

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it is and not trying to control everything. And and yeah,

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the control people like to control stuff to feel at ease.

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That it's really important as a person to trying to

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identify is it Is it your fear that you.

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Try to.

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Lean into your fear to get some control for that,

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or yeah, what are you creating with your control? Is

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its value? Is it? Is it? Because otherwise you cannot

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sleep when you're thinking a bit too much. That's also

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an interesting point. So actually, and in the most things

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I tried to say is that it's a balance. It's

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not like a fixed the three points and you will

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be happy, but you need to be able to listen

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to the signals of your mind and your body to live,

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to live yeah, purposefully and and and imbalance.

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kind of the second thread that I wanted to tease out.

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Is it true as it was when I was growing

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up that your parents probably said, hey, annick uh after school,

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you know, get out of the house. We didn't have

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screens when I was growing up. I suspect you had

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some screens, but not smartphones. And we were told come

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back for dinner, come back before it's dark. And literally

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we made our fun and talk about doing crazy stuff

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that was scary, but I didn't know necessarily you know,

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how dangerous it was. But we figured it out. And

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you know, playing with other kids our age in the neighborhood,

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we kind of had each other's back, but we were

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problem solving, We were negotiating conflict, we were creating our

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own agenda for the afternoon early evening. And that's one

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of the biggest changes that I'm seeing in our society.

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And when you do have kids, I think it's super hard,

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but super valuable. I talked to Barrett about how he's

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raising his two boys and the two you know, his

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boys and new girl to allow them freedom to not

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have everything over scheduled and overplanned, so they can then

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find that balance for them. Thoughts about that.

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outside is experience. First of all, probably you were need

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to imagine and be creative to be able to play

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and have read something interesting that it's even better for

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kids to sometimes play with some not I mean not dangerous,

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but some garbage, something that really doesn't look anything, but

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they make something out of it instead of the most

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beautiful playgrounds. And it's that it's this creativity and it's.

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Really hardboard boxes. You know, when you buy a refrigerator

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cardboard box, we would create tunnels with, you know, a

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series of cardboard boxes adventures.

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And you had the best of time with it. And

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what strikes me as third point is the making memories

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when a really for me, it's really interesting the knowledge

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and the wisdom that the elderly have because they can

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look back at then at their lives. So I'm really

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try to ask or listen when I can about their

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lessons and and often it's like do what you love

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or or or don't. Don't lose too much time to

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say sorry or or or.

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And the making memories is important. And making memories you

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do by doing things differently today than yesterday, otherwise you

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will not remember it. And so a new a new thing,

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a new experience, that's that's really important to to break

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with patterns. I the patterns, I like to recognize them,

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but I don't like to be every if you're in

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the same pattern. And again, it can be sometimes a

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strength to too much deicize some things, but can also

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be a weakness that you you you're not at the

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lookout for the new stuff to be creative. So there

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again it's the strength and weakness that you need to

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know which is what and when to use when to

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use which strategy.

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our conversation so far, which is this finding balance, and

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I'd love to explore that a little bit more after

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the break, which is going to start in about two minutes.

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Can you help our listeners understand how you got into

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Olympic sailing.

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My my father makes the sails for the bigger boats

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and small boats and everything in the middle. And so

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when he went for putting a new sail on the boat,

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and he dropped me off at a at a at

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a small at a small lake at home, and it

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was all just about fun and it was rab fishing,

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was jumping in the water, was capsizing with the boat,

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It was experimenting discovering and kaya king do all sorts

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of sports. That's how I get into it, but my

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pleasure having fun. And while having fun, I started sailing,

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and as I had fun, I failed quite a lot,

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quite quite so, much more than other kids would do.

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And then my level automatically got better. And then from

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the fun then came the competition, but it was not

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a competition, and then the fun. It was the fun,

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and then the success came behind it. And and that's

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what I tried to tell the young sailors as well,

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who are fully into it and they want to do

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it perfectly, and they are so focused on the results

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that their mind is is already consumed by the results

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and not trying to just like being like we talked

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in the beginning, of being in the boat and being

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one with wins. That's that's one important lesson that I

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Tell them.

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Here as your host, Captain Dave, your personal Regenerator.

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Welcome back if you're just now joining. I've been speaking

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with Janick Lefevre, an Olympic level athlete who leverages high

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performance sailing as a laboratory for personal growth, resilience, and leadership.

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He's also a leadership and high performance coach with QLX,

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and we've been talking about the theme purpose over Podium.

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But really what I love about these conversations Jiannick is

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we've been talking a little bit more about balance. And

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before the break you shared how important it was to

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just be brought into the environment with your dad, of

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small boats and the lake and exploring what it was

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like to harness the power and magic of lyft. And

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it was always about fun and how you because you

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love what you did, you were much more interested in

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investing the time. And as a result of investing the time,

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we talk about ten thousand hours, you probably did twenty

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thousand hours. But because you love what you did and

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you got better at it, you know, you able to

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bring sailing to a very high level. So what is

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that like to be sailing and being around other high

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performing sailors exactly?

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And to give an example, the lake which where I

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sailed in my hometown Austin. It's a small round lake

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and I imagined for hours that I did the around

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the World race.

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So I tailed.

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Around around two, three, four times, and yeah, I was

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alone on the lake, but I was in my mind.

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I was like you were making tunnels with cardboards.

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I was. I was.

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I was having fun or being creative with what I had. So,

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like you said, and the environment is really important because

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because I had fun, I was able to put in

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a lot of training, and I think that that's also

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important lesson is that the environment is so important, and

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it's to have pleasure. From pleasure comes success and not

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from and and that's a really advocate of this. It's

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not from success that comes pleasure. And to go even

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further with that, is that in my or when I

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my observations, or or even some people who win medals,

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or some people who get married or have another job

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or next job, or a beautiful car, for me, that

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the why behind it is really important. Do you do

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you think it will give you pleasure or happiness or

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is it part of your journey to to grow? If

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if somebody comes to me and says, hey, I have

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the nicest, most expensive car because I love the design

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and I feel one and it's it's a really treat

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from my eye, every everybody. Every time I see it,

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every time I write it, I feel I feel in

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a moment really happy for you. Do you buy it

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too because you think it's part of success? And for me,

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that's the wrong reason. So yeah, why you go after

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it is really important And that's also in my journey.

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The first Olympic campaign I had, I went after it

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because I thought I was a big talent and it

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would come like this and then I would be successful.

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ran into a wall because we didn't make the qualification

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and actually looking backwards so happy, so no happy, grateful.

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I had this lesson because then I switched fully to

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growth mindset and really thinking why, because then I went

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away from this perfection. Because of this, I wanted to

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be perfect in training. I didn't train as hard or

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as good because as long if I didn't train perfectly,

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was not it was not that good. So and to

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be able to improve, you need to fail, and you

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need to try some new things, and you need to

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capsize and and need to fall into the water because

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you look for the limits. And that's the lesson I

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got there and and together with that, I thought and

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and I thought it was my identity Yanik the sailor.

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And and you know, my friends introduced me to to

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to other people. They always say, hey, that's Yani, that's

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this does this good sailor. And at the beginning, I

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like that the sailor important and nice and he's doing

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something special. But now I hate it when they introduced

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me as this, this Olympic sailor. I hate it.

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For me.

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It would be nice to say, Yanny, that's He's been

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by my side already so much years. We've been gone

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to highs and lows together. And when I when I

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I'm happy and can call to him and he will

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be so happy for me. I reached the moon. And

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when I'm down, I can call him and if it's

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at midnight or in the morning, if he can, he

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will answer. And so it's not my identity anymore. And

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that's why I'm able to lose and to fail, and

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to grow as a person and to get better at

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sailing as well.

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Now, yeah, I apologize. I didn't realize that you're moving

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away from your identity as an Olympic sailor. I think

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I've been making too much of an emphasis on that.

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So I will correct that. When he come back on

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the show, tell us a little bit about this balance

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scene of results and how that made you motivated to

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keep going versus just staying present and being and being

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at kid again, just loving being on the water. Maybe

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you know, collaborating with another sailor on your competition, so

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there's that community. Even if it's just two of you.

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You're creating community. How do you balance again, this is

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kind of our sub theme of today's regenerate how do

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you balance the results versus the doing versus the being.

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That's really interesting because when the results were not good,

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I felt literally like a loser, fell down and depressed

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even because I had a feeling I failed. And so

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it didn't come overnight, but was a process where step

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by step I added more value to how I did

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it and to the effort I put in to be

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proud of that, and a small a small storry to

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emphasize that is that For instance, I described the first

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campaign where I missed the qualification. After that I went

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to Rio together with my teammate Tom at the time,

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and then we had the qualifications for Tokyo. So the

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qualification for London I missed. I was devastated, and but

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actually there again was devastated because I was actually more

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disappointed than myself and how I did it compared to

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the results itself.

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And moving forward.

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Again to Tokyo, I had we had we missed the

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selection again one place that we we stepped off the

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war out of the boat and the our heads were

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held high we we felt good as a steam, and

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we felt we we had no regrets. And for me,

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that's all the difference, because we knew the effort we

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put in, we knew we had no regrets, and we

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stayed the team from the beginning until the end of

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this difficult event. And that was for me a big

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lesson to to to be much more or get much

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more importance or give much more importance, to do the

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effort and how you do the things, and trying to

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be the best version of yourself, not perfection, not but

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trying to be better every day and and and it's

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so simple when you explain it, but it was so difficult.

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I cried a lot when we had bad results and

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I felt like I was not deserving or whatever. But

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in the end that that it's simple to explain. Now

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I feel some kind of wizards, Yeah, just do this

474
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or that, But no, no, it was. I struggled a lot,

475
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and and sometimes still still. But the moments I'm able

476
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to control it, to say, okay, five minutes, let it out,

477
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and then we go back at it. And and to

478
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achieve this balance is to add another point to that

479
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is when I was sailing full time, I felt I

480
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was just playing around and not doing anything serious, if

481
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that makes sense. So I needed something I had. I

482
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:32.119
attached a lot of value and purpose to it, and

483
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that was the actually when I lost this qualification again grateful,

484
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.519
that's when I started to work with with Matthia Rum

485
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and Rum and then Alex. So I needed this purpose

486
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:53.240
next to the sailing and which which helped me to

487
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:57.799
get a lot of things into perspective. And at the

488
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end of the day, I was if I was able

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to help somebody versus.

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A bad result.

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But I went sailing in good weather, I can e

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I mean with as sailors, we we often joke a

493
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bad day on the water is still better than a

494
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good day at the office. But for me, what's much

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more being able to to know I was getting closer

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to my purpose. So actually, as I'm a better athlete

497
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.000
if I have something next to it instead of like,

498
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this is your life, this is your this is your

499
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thing and if you if you're not doing well, you're

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failing at life. And that's something I encourage other athletes

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or persons to even if it's something small, to have

502
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some hobby or something that means a lot to you

503
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:56.880
next to it. Maybe studies or yeah, but to be

504
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to watch out, to be really nice, arrow minded or

505
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:02.799
narrow focus just on that one thing.

506
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Wow, so inspiring. I mean, there's a couple key insights

507
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that our listeners who listened to Mature Graham the first

508
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:17.599
episode ever generate. Just like your story, I was confusing

509
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:23.480
my identity, my self worth with my results. Came from

510
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:28.639
an overachieving corporate life and pivoted to a solopreneur life

511
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and the results were not happening, and turned to mative

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to help me rewire my identity. And that is not

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easy work. And as you said, you cry a lot

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because you have to kind of mourn the old Ganic,

515
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:51.239
the old old Dave and that growth mindset. I'm embracing

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00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:56.760
the suck, embracing the suckiness of the new identity that's

517
00:34:56.800 --> 00:35:02.000
emerging before it's actually creating the kind of results or

518
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:05.400
outcomes or impact that you want to create. You know

519
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:09.320
your point about purpose, it's it's a spiritual growth opportunity,

520
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isn't it.

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Yes?

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And like in the in the intro, there's this really

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important word I heard is courage and it's not for me.

524
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:26.719
A big point as well was having the courage to

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do it, and often people are a bit anxious or scared,

526
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but you need to have the trust if something doesn't

527
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:41.679
go well, you will you will manage it, and the

528
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:46.960
trust that you will it will when something doesn't go well,

529
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the trust that will be okay in the end. And

530
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:54.840
that's for me a really big one, because are you

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doing stuff because you're scared it will not go as planned?

532
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:06.280
Or are you doing stuff because hey, that's something cool,

533
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:07.320
that's something nice.

534
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.199
Let's have the courage to try and get it.

535
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:13.760
And when I was if we talk about the sailing

536
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:18.199
at the starting line, you need to start or we

537
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:21.599
talk about sailing, but I think it's for all the sports,

538
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or or or.

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Studies or at work.

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Do you do you take the decisions because you try

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to do your give your best jot or do you

542
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:38.679
take decisions trying not to lose or not to make

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00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:41.880
something wrong? And then you're always like you're not in

544
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:48.119
your best range of mindset of I agree something. Sometimes

545
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:51.440
you need to be careful strategy wise, you need to

546
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.280
be controlled less risks.

547
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:53.760
I agree.

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But and then again, like we talked, it's it's it

549
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has his advent and disadvantages, and you need to know

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00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:06.239
when to use what So that's that's that's really important

551
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:11.039
for me. The qualification event we went in that I

552
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:14.519
needed to accept that maybe I didn't go to the

553
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:19.760
Games and and that, but I wanted to sell like

554
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.159
I had an idea how to. I wanted to approach

555
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:26.719
the event and the strategy and tactical if I didn't

556
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go to the Games. I wanted to be able to say, okay,

557
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.960
but I selled how I wanted to sell, and I

558
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:36.679
gave my all and and I try my best. So

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I for myself, I needed to accept that maybe I

560
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.440
wouldn't go. Then it liberated a bit for Okay, maybe

561
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.880
we don't go. We accepted that's the worst case scenario.

562
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:53.280
I will still have a nice family, the best girlfriend,

563
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:59.039
and being able and healthy, so you have nothing to lose,

564
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.599
And that's that's important to be able to. I think

565
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:08.000
the great, the really great champions have have this ability

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to leave it all and just trying to win and

567
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:14.639
then we see we see what happens.

568
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:19.840
But I think as we start to wind down our

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show today, the power of having a third party, a

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00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:28.840
coach to be a little bit self serving, but I

571
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:32.840
have a coach, Chris Rue out of Wales. I suspect

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that you, like you had mature, you probably have other

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00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:41.000
coaches in your life, trusted advisors to help us get

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00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:45.880
across that chasm of the known identity and the emerging

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00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.920
identity and the and the courage that it takes. You know,

576
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:52.039
it's not the absence of fear. It's in spite of

577
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:56.119
the fear, mustering the courage to cross that that chasm

578
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.760
with that growth mindset. I'm way more fun to do

579
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:04.679
that with somebody else as a coach. Now, for high

580
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:08.960
performing executives and leaders, what what are you finding is

581
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.199
the greatest value that you can bring your clients knowing

582
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:18.000
what you know now about both mindset, identity, shift, transformation courage.

583
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:21.880
Well, for me, my strength as a coach is I

584
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:25.519
don't look at it like, hey, this is my service.

585
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:29.119
This is what I can provide, is that I'm I

586
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:33.039
am flexible and I try to be of added value,

587
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:37.400
like the how can I make or help the ship

588
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.400
go faster? And it depends where I am needed, where

589
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:47.880
I place myself in in that journey. But being able

590
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:51.320
to help somebody to live how they want to live,

591
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:56.159
that's that's really that's really what makes me makes me tick.

592
00:39:56.280 --> 00:40:02.400
Let's say and and and because everybody has it's hurdles

593
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:05.239
and difficult things. And when you're alone, you have these

594
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:08.280
dead angles you don't see or you're not aware of.

595
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:13.000
And it's not that the coach is a special, special person,

596
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:17.159
but it's it's somebody that helps you give perspective and

597
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:22.719
an accountability because I think a lot of people have

598
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:26.840
the knowledge, a lot more knowledge that we that you

599
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:31.800
would think that everybody has its yeah, hurdles and difficulties,

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and it's to help to cope with that. And like

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you said, it's not in spite of fear it. The

602
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:41.000
stress will be there, but how will you manage it,

603
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:45.119
how how will you even use it?

604
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:45.480
Maybe?

605
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:49.199
And how you see it as something negative positive? So

606
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:51.800
that's the interesting part.

607
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.679
Well, then to bring this full circle, you mentioned early

608
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:59.280
on about the challenges when you were growing up, but

609
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:03.079
also currently as a as a professional, you know that

610
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:07.079
discomfort is it going to kill you? And you really

611
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.639
do need to pay attention to it. Is the discomfort

612
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:13.559
you know something new that you would love to do,

613
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:17.159
or is it something that's not aligned with your purpose?

614
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:20.119
And I think a coach can really help tease out

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00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:24.400
which are which are the primary drivers of that discomfort

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00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:28.159
and to help you, the client, become more comfortable with

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00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.840
being uncomfortable exactly.

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And when you start to feel that this upward spiral

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that's getting uncomfortable gives you growth and and and you

620
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:45.159
feel better, and it's you create this this upwards spil

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and that's that's when you really experience and and see

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the growth.

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And that's that's really fulfilling for me.

624
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Yeah, well, I hope you had fun and I'd love

625
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:00.800
to have you return at at some point later in

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00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.000
the year. Our next sort of call helping us navigate

627
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:08.480
through the messy middle of her own transformation. I'll be

628
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:11.400
chatting with doctor Benita Thompson. But it is a New

629
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:14.920
York Times bestselling author. She's ranked in the top three

630
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:18.599
Global thirty Gurus in the field of education and the

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00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:24.679
Thinkers fifty leading Coaches. She's a collaborative leadership scientist and

632
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:28.400
earned her PhD in collaborative leadership. She teaches and coaches

633
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:33.800
high performance leaders and their team's specific collaboration skills to

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00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:38.559
achieve their goals faster and more effectively. So I invite

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you to join us next Monday at ten am Pacific

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seven pm cet for the sixth episode of the Regenerate Show,

637
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:51.159
and our theme will be beyond goals, So if Benida's

638
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:54.519
help will stop overanalyzing our goals, engage the whole human

639
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:58.519
system both goals softly, make them playful, kind of echoing

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00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:03.599
what Janick was mentioned before, and let values not pressure lead.

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00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.239
And when goals are set and pursued this way, we're

642
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.920
much less likely to burn out. So I know your

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investment of time will be well spent. So we hope

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you experienced our promise to have fun today, to be inspired,

645
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:19.599
to be empowered, and behalf on, behalf of Yannick and

646
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.039
our entire Talk four media team. I invite you to

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stay healthy, stay safe. We need you, and consider reviewing

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00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:28.639
your notes from our show and applying just one idea

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00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:32.519
today and consider only you can close the gap between

650
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:38.400
knowing and doing to accelerate your personal, professional, and organizational transformation.

651
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I promise I'll personally read any of your constructive comments

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00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:45.000
so we can continuously improve and add greater value to

653
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you on the show. Hick, thanks again for joining us,

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see you next week. We're better together.

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Thank you for listening to Regenerate with Captain Dave on

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k for HD Radio. We invite you to give yourself

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grace and grace comssing Middle see you every Monday at

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an am Pacific time. Until then, you got this